Joined: Aug 18, 2005 Posts: 1069 Location: Plateau of Leng
Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 5:58 pm Post subject:
Speaking personally, while its a shame ot miss out on the scenarios, it was the source material that I've always loved the most
(although I've not always agreed with using alll of it for CoC specifically ,they've given lots of ideas for other games as well)
.... so I'm happy either way _________________ We blow up the wall beyond all hope of repair.
Joined: Mar 16, 2006 Posts: 74 Location: Midlands, England.
Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 6:27 pm Post subject:
If the news is true that there will be no scenarios in ToO I'd be extremely disappointed. While the background info is extremely important, even 'core' I suppose, I pledged my money in the faith that we'd be getting the familiar format of background chapters and corresponding scenarios, like all the other DG books.
I don't want to jump the gun here, I guess it's hearsay still, but that's such a disappointing prospect. The DG scenarios are great and my heart genuinely dropped when I read that, especially after waiting what must be more than a year for the publication.
Please, someone, correct that vicious lie! (or convince me it's not all bad).
Joined: Mar 16, 2006 Posts: 74 Location: Midlands, England.
Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 8:47 pm Post subject:
Tigger_MK4 wrote:
Sam wrote:
Seriously, no scenarios?
DONT PANIC (yet).
All we know is that one of Ken's scenarios didn't make the cut. There may be others scenarios from Ken or other folks that are still in it.
Lets wait for Monsieurs Ivey & co to comment.
You're right, we should wait for official sources. It's just sufirjp is normally pretty 'in the know' on these things.
The DG products ooze quality. I've never been disappointed with anything by Detwiller, Glancy or Ivey. I suppose it's worth trusting their judgement on what they'll release. I really hope though, if there are no scenarios, that it's not on grounds them being 'too much of a bear'.
Joined: Feb 04, 2004 Posts: 714 Location: Left4Dead
Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 10:02 pm Post subject:
Armitage wrote:
The Tag book collection was excellent so I have no doubt ToO will be a success. The market for additional DG material is always a strong one. But if the no scenarios point is true then this ToO is not the same as the one I preordered back in 2008. ...just saying.
What happened to all those cool scenarios?
Sam wrote:
If the news is true that there will be no scenarios in ToO I'd be extremely disappointed. While the background info is extremely important, even 'core' I suppose, I pledged my money in the faith that we'd be getting the familiar format of background chapters and corresponding scenarios, like all the other DG books.
While I would echo the recommendation to wait until we hear officially, I have to take issue with the posts above.
I’ve followed the release of ToO as eagerly as any other DG fan out there, and at no point has there been any confirmation of any scenarios appearing in the book. At the very most, Shane Ivey once informally expressed a desire to have a scenario in there based on the Black Cod Island material. This was expressed as an aspiration to include it as an addition and nothing more. There was also a blog post by Kenneth Hite which expressed an understanding that a scenario might be included but this doesn't seem to have been followed up.
However the main point to stress is that we appear to be getting – at a minimum - the book content that was described when the original fundable was set up. I say minimum because I do understand that there are some rather interesting new rules that are being included as well (that were not described in the original pitch on which the fundable was based).
You may have believed that you were getting scenarios in the book because that’s the way that most of the other DG releases have worked, but I can and will equally argue that I expected (however differently I may have hoped) that there not to be scenarios in the book, because when there have been scenarios appearing (e.g. the Eyes Only single volume) their inclusion is expressly stated as an addition to the ‘campaign’ style chapters that make up the majority of DG volume content.
I can appreciate the disappointment (if it turns out to be the case that additional ‘aspirational’ material is not included) and I can perhaps forgive confusion borne out of excited anticipation, but I think it is both factually incorrect and really quite annoyingly unfair to the authors to suggest – on the basis of a supposed lack of scenarios - that the book will be something other than it was originally advertised.
Joined: Mar 16, 2006 Posts: 74 Location: Midlands, England.
Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 11:00 pm Post subject:
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I can appreciate the disappointment (if it turns out to be the case that additional ‘aspirational’ material is not included) and I can perhaps forgive confusion borne out of excited anticipation, but I think it is both factually incorrect and really quite annoyingly unfair to the authors to suggest – on the basis of a supposed lack of scenarios - that the book will be something other than it was originally advertised.
Of course, you're right. I didn't mean to suggest that really. I think my post may have a taken a tone I didn't intend it to, and that does come out of frustration. The writers (as I understand from my experience) are decent fellows with a respect for their fans and wouldn't intentionally mislead. That's clear.
Can you see how the frustration comes though? Every DG release so far(Edit: I mean the main books: DG, DG:Countdown and DG: Eyes Only) has had the 'background materials + scenarios' format. I'd have thought that if they were to deviate from this in a coming book, it'd be worth saying so when the the book was announced. My view is, in this case, is that the duty is with the writers to announce the change of format, if that's even the case! I guess your point about the previous scenarios being described as 'extra' sort of stands, but can you blame me (and I imagine most of the people waiting for the book) for assuming that there would be scenarios in the back?
It's all by-the-by really, I'd have pledged for the fundable even if they'd have stated at the start that there would be no scenarios (which there may, or may not be... possibly).
The tone of accusation was not intended to be raised. I've been waiting, as many others have, for a long time to get this book and it just seems such a shame if there won't be any of the great scenarios that the other releases have had.
Joined: Aug 18, 2005 Posts: 1069 Location: Plateau of Leng
Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 11:19 pm Post subject:
I think we can chalk this all up to the fact we all love the DG books and can't wait for more of anything and everything.
We want 10,000 products and we want it now
Hopefully, despite our impatience, all at Pagan can feel the luuurrrrve for the product. In a purely non-physical sense of course. (ahem) _________________ We blow up the wall beyond all hope of repair.
Adam, let me say that if I insulted or called into question the creative talents of any of those working on ToO then I apologize. Please understand that was never my intention.
You see I was under the obviously wrong impression that ToO would be a collection of DG scenarios. When I saw that it may not have any I was surprised. It was a big let down to think that ToO would not have the Black Cod Island scenario that Shane mentioned. Now though I'm excited to learn that Black Cod Island will be covered in greater detail. WOOT!
And for the record Adam I was wrong and Sam just got caught in the fallout. Sorry Sam.
Hmm. Sorry everyone, I certainly didn't mean to stir up such a controversy, nor be the bearer of bad news. Although I'm not certain where I heard that Mr. Ivey had said there likely wouldn't be any scenarios in the book, the conversation I had with ASG at the HPLFF seemed fairly definitive. However, I should note that this was a casual discussion, not a press release, and it's certainly possible that this could change.
I should note that, while I'm really hoping we'll get to see scenarios based on the ToO materials, I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing that the book will be filled with campaign material, and let me be clear that any/all news of the book that I've heard indicates that ToO has grown to gigantic proportions as the Paganistas and fine people at Arc Dream work their asses off to wow you with all the great new material they have to offer. If it's as half as good as I suspect they think it is, I'd be surprised if anyone is disappointed with the final product. Nor, based on their previous track record, do I have any reason to believe that it will be any less than spectacular.
Joined: Jun 19, 2003 Posts: 540 Location: Paris, France
Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 12:06 pm Post subject:
I love the Dg stuff. I really do. I love JUST READING THE STUFF, it makes my mouth water.
And then from time to time a scenario comes, and all this READING can AT LAST be put into practice.
It was the case with Dennis Detwiller's excellent Past/perfect campaign. i do hope there are scenarios in this one. If there are none, I'll still wait for it breathlessly. _________________ christian lehmann
Joined: Feb 04, 2004 Posts: 714 Location: Left4Dead
Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 2:09 pm Post subject:
Armitage wrote:
Adam, let me say that if I insulted or called into question the creative talents of any of those working on ToO then I apologize. Please understand that was never my intention.
And for the record Adam I was wrong and Sam just got caught in the fallout. Sorry Sam.
Just a quick couple of things. I may myself be misinterpreting your post here (which is obviously an inherent danger these days in internet communication !) but just in case, I want to make it clear that I (despite my use of the DG logo avatar here on this site !) am not connected with the DG Partnership, Pagan or ToO (other than the fact I’ve done some rules playtesting for the latter). So, if any apology was required, it didn’t need to be directed at me.
Secondly, I’m glad we are now all in agreement, and that we can all go back to being friends and fanboys with a common interest who are eager for the release of the new book.
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