Fungi VS Insects

[macmonkey1]

Spoilers containted regarding Majestic & the Shan

The Shan have a vested interest in aerospace industry and winning those lucrative government contracts will provide the capital for their puppets to speed up work on there vessel so they can get off this blighted rock and away from these stupid monkies.

Majestic 1 also has a vested interest in winning lucrative government contracts (personal wealth and power).

What would happen if both sides went for the same contract and started using various nefarious schemes to knock off the competition. The Shan owe nothing to the Mi-Go and i see no reason they will back down when the fighting starts. Unless of course the two sides can agree terms and share their tech!

DG could get involved when a leading light in the aerospace indusrty is bumped off and slowly get dragged into a war between the two alien races. Could a tentative alliance between DG and one of the sides (most likely the Shan i would have thought, they are more interested in getting off this rock before the end times i reckon?)

Could MJ3 also use the crisis as a smokescreen to take down his oponents in the Steering Committee?

Not sure i'll ever do anything with the idea but felt i should get it out of my head to make way for another thought?

Thoughts?[/b]

[N-kun]

well the shan are based in europe and mj12 are in the us so they probably wouldnt go for the same contracts, since afaik the us doesnt usually award contracts to overseas companies, for example the harrier jump jet contract was awarded due to the involvement of Mcdonnell-Douglas. IIRC The only completely none us aircraft in the us arsenal is the IAI Lavi used as agressor aircraft during combat simulation. Also mj12 has considerable influence behind the scenes in the us and could probably steer the us armed forces into choosing whichever contractor they had chosen to pass technology on to.

[macmonkey1]

but that doesn't stop american aerospace firms competing for contracts overseas does it?

so when March Technologies submits its tender the Shan begin the conflict by taking a pop at some March employees or put the squeeze on the board. Possibly targetting Justin Kroft and inadvertantly getting Mj12 involved

[Careless]

You might want to reconfigure this idea of a Shan/Mi-Go conflict.

While a "contract war" might be beneath MJ12 and the Shan (esp. if the Shan are aware of the Machinations of the Mi-Go), are more plausible might be:

After losing a few overseas bids, operatives from March Technologies decide to do a little investigating around the aerospace installations in the former Severn river valley.

What they stumble over (at least those who get away in time) is a plethora of advanced technological devices....so far advanced that they must in fact be alien in origin....

This failed attempt at industrial espionage/spying now brings about a host of problems:

1.) The Shan's cover has been blown, and at least one operative has made it back to States bug free and with photographic evidence.

2.) The Mi-Go/Grays have always insisted that they were the only forms of extraterrestrial life that visited the Earth....now they have some explaining to do to a jittery MJ 12.

[macmonkey1]

cheers careless, good suggestions.

while i agree that a contract war is definatly beneath Mj12 as an organisation i still think that Kroft is not afraid to bring the force of the group to bear just to further his own financial goals (never underestimate the power of human greed, hell the Mi-Go might encourage this as an experiment to see what drives us primitive monkies). the internal bickering of the steering comittee when they find out could well lead to a shake-up or be just the key Mj3 needs to remove Mj1 from the steering committee.

another point going back to N-kun's comments: i have no doubt Mj12 does has massive influence over US policy decisions of this sort. Something to bear in mind though is that the Shan are psychic parasites more than capable of taking over key decision makers, which would obviously affect Mj12's infleunce over said indvividuals. And when these kind of politcal movers and shakers start having accidents or vanishing as Mj12 have then removed people are going to start investigating...

if the Shan are still on this rock when the end times come they are screwed. so unless they win (or strike a deal with the Mi-Go) they will play for keeps. there instinct for survival would override any qualms they have about Pi** off the fungi.

[Graeme_P]

[ProfSpender]

I thought about a scenario in which a Shan agent is send to Area 51, looking for any stuff they could use to get off the planet. Area 51 is well-known for its alien technology, so the Shans wouldn't even need to know about the Fungi. Of course, this mission means switching hosts to someone with MAJIC clearance in order to enter Area 51, and getting rid of the old host body. The horribly mutilated corpse of a British photo reporter turns up in a Las Vegas motel, and she was last seen with a high-ranking Air Force officer from the Nellis Test Range... enter DG. With NRO Delta and DG both playing "hunt the alien parasite on Area 51", things could get interesting.
But at the moment, I'm somewhat stumped on the idea - I just don't know enough about Area 51.

[macmonkey1]

and don't forget that being that close to area 51, saucer watch (or some other fringe media group) will be hanging around too...

[AdamAstonbury]

[dogstar]

The First Issue of the Black Seal (I think) deals with PISCES operations in the US. Majestic are unaware of the existance of PISCES. PISCES operates through fronts in the US.

Its always worth remembering that neither side is aware of the situation they are in (the PISCES shan hosts aren't necessarily aware), and MJ-12 think they are dealing with the Greys.

The true motives of both races are completely different (the Mi-go want to understand the human deductive mind, the shan want off the planet) so a conflict over human intrests is as contracts is very unlikely.

However the MI-GO would be keen to prevent the MJ-12 becoming aware of the existance of the Shan (they are supposed to be the only other intelligent race except humans) and obviously the Shan don't want other PISCES agents becoming aware of the situation with the Shan (paradoxically their biggest threat is also their biggest ally). The lower eschilons of PISCES are most likely to be the cause of a purge of leadership).
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[macmonkey1]

We need to remember that the Mi-Go/Greys do not "control" Mj12, they manipulate them. The power of the 'group' still rests (at least right now) directly in the hands of a group of men who are as susceptible to human greed and self interest as the rest of us (just read the internal politics of Mj12 for examples). The 'Greys' will only intervene directly if they feel they are about to be rumbled. They are studying human behaviour after all and would more likely than not allow events to unfold (IMO), up to a point.

The point i was trying to make was that, one individual human (or several) within Mj12 is in a postition to abuse the resources of the group for there own aims (Kroft being the example cited earlier). In my example he uses the group's resources to fill his pockets by going after overseas contracts, that are also being pursued by Severn Aerospace. Corporate espionage ensues as both Kroft (using Mj12 resources) and Severn Aerospace (using PISCES resources) go head to head.

This isn't initially a confrontation between the powers behind the respective thrones but rather there human pawns acting on there own initiative in the interests of the sovereign powers they represent. Despite the Shan infestation of some, not all, of their leadership PISCES are still a government agency whos nature dictates that they address any threat to the nation they serve. If Kroft's agents begin using (or are suspected of using) anything alien or paranormal in nature PISCES would become involved (although probably covertly. Financing intelligence operations is an expensive business and black budgets aside there is a finite amount of money to go around and i feel both Severn and Kroft's companies would pursue these contracts vigourously, and use all the tools in there respective toolsheds to gain an upper hand.

Aas the covert skull duggery continues said powers might take steps to halt the activities before they draw undue attention. Or maybe look at other methods for solving the problem. Could the Shan and Mi-Go reach an accord and trade (tech or knowledge lacked by the other) or are they too alien for even each other to interact with? And if so, how are they likely to react to one another?

My point is, the Mi-Go's lack of understanding of the human thought process could well be their undoing. The irony is that one of humanities worst traits could well begin a series of events that helps us in the secret war against these invaders from across time and space. If only for a moment, I like my DG dark, so any victory would be appropriatly shortlived.

[ProfSpender]

[FriendOfMrGreen]

Found this on my searches through the old postings. Looks like I am not the first to posit this conflict (i.e. March Tech Vs Severen Aero).

Another thought on this subject: